Ryan Grant Little: 0:42

Welcome to another Climate Tech Podcast. Interviews with the people trying to save us from ourselves. Fungi, fungi, fungi however you pronounce it, it's definitely having a moment. I caught up with Susanne Glørsen, founder of the Future is Fungi Award, together with two of the awards winners Oona West of MycoMine and Jens Laurids Sørensen from Aalberg University. I'm Ryan Grant Little. Thanks for being here. So welcome to the first ever another Climate Tech podcast with three guests. I'm used to doing one-on-one interviews and in this case, we actually have three people Susanne, Oona and Jens. Welcome to the podcast.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 1:23

Thank you, Glad to be here. Thank you.

Ryan Grant Little: 1:25

Right, Susanne, I'll start with you, because this all kind of originates with you. I know you as a fellow angel investor and climate tech, especially in food tech, but you're here talking about the Future is Fungi Award. You just had the first award ceremony last week and we have some winners with us as well. Can you talk a little bit about what the Future is Fungi Award is, what made you decide to create it now and what it's all about?

Susanne Glørsen: 1:52

Yeah, absolutely. I mean the award is about uncovering new ways that we can use life for Fungi for environmental solutions. We've started to see a lot of applications across sectors from the Fungal space, but there are so many more ways we can use Fungi for the sustainable solutions we need. So the award is really to uncover the new research and innovations and inspire to more recent innovations. This field has started to develop, but it's still early and we have only mapped 4% of fungi globally. So there's still so many unexpected opportunities which our winners are fantastic examples of. So that's really what the award is about, but it's also about bringing together the whole ecosystem. It could see from the jury. We want to research, we want to invest. There is corporates, the people and organizations across the ecosystem. That is needed if we are to get more research off the ground, if we are in a way to accelerate further. So it's more than just announcing our winners. We want to really use the word to help the ecosystem to accelerate.

Ryan Grant Little: 3:09

And so we're recording this. It's Monday, November 27th 2023, and your first award ceremony was last Thursday. I'm curious about what kinds of applications you received, also for some of the organizations or applicants that didn't win but that were pretty out there, Really interesting. I wonder if you want to just give a couple of honorable mentions about the types of interventions that you saw.

Susanne Glørsen: 3:32

Yeah, absolutely. And I just have to say we also have fantastic winners here that you will hear more from. I think I'll start with the runner-ups. I think they deserve also the attention and then I have some sneak peeks into who didn't get it to the podium. But in all the research side we saw microbial CO2 fixation Incredibly interesting Using the electric sophistication process, harnessing renewable energy to turn CO2 into formic acid that a yeast why lipolytica can consume, and then you can turn it into more biobased solutions across feed and fuel materials and chemicals. So this was William Newell from Imperial College of London, from Botte du Cusiver in Novel we haven't seen this too much out there and Christina Codell and Team Micutextile's Futures from University of California with the research on recycling and textile waste into mycelium materials for the use of fungi.

Susanne Glørsen: 4:32

Those were on the research side we had, since we had two starter winners. We had a second place on the starter side to visibilt. Then we start up utilizing fungi to replace a victim in asphalt production Also super novel. I have not. I've gotten to know about fungi space quite well now. I've still a lot to learn. But we have never seen this. A couple of female founder, danish startup, super interesting and it's just maybe missing some more. On the research side we also saw utilizing fungi as computers Super good. And also on the startup side, lots of all mentioned a space tech, Space radiation shielding using fungi yeah, in the space industry, and there's a lot of things going on research and innovation for space tech, utilizing funky in space, so this is an up-and-coming thing as well.

Ryan Grant Little: 5:32

Okay, that's a topic I'm going to need to have a separate episode about. That sounds pretty cool, and so you announced three winners one in the research category and two tied for first place in the startup category. And, as I mentioned, two of the award winners, MycoMine of and Jens from Aalborg University, are here right now. So tell us a bit about what was special about the winners that they collectively went home with the first place medal. novobiom maybe start with , since you're representing them right now. They're not on the line.

Susanne Glørsen: 6:05

Yeah, absolutely. And I would say again we had two winners, so they are in the same theme of micro remediation or a barman micro mines, so there's a lot of similarities. That is also why they're winning. They're showing the way how we can use micro remediation and promising potential in nature to restore nature. So, novo Bayhams they do micro remediation, so they clean up contaminated soil by the use of fungi, and we know that 30% of soil globally is being rated. If we don't change course, 90% of soil will be degraded by 2050.

Susanne Glørsen: 6:41

World Economic Forum says that loss of nature and biodiversity is top four economic risks in the next decades and when we know that 57% of biodiversity is underground, it's so crucial to clean up soil. They also work on converting textile waste into new bioactive compounds. So, for example, for cosmetics, which is also showing the way of being in hope and inspiration of utilizing more biobased products rather than chemicals or other more sustainable, unsustainable alternatives. So, lodiol they're going 100% biobased by 2030.

Susanne Glørsen: 7:20

And again, kanky is part of a bigger wave of utilizing biology and nature for the solutions we need. I can say, as a, 60% of the inputs for the global economy have been done by biology. So it's a novel biome and again, the mind of which we have here and you will hear more from, also focus on micro remediation and it's so powerful to rather use I call it the intelligence and nature and you'll find this natural decomposer and cleaner of the world, and you will hear more from Oona about the field of micro remediation. There's such a need to clean up the natural work and beyond that, just also to say, obviously, that when it comes to the criteria, we had the environmental relevance, impact, novelty, market potential, welfare, position, strategy, customer discovery, scaling, so these two sort of scored very high.

Susanne Glørsen: 8:15

And then comes Jens, which is just a fantastic example of mind blowing new ways. You know moonsheds, ways of utilizing fungi for environmental solutions. I mean making a bio battery for fungi to store energy, and so this the world is so much about showing the potential of what more we can use fungi for. So Jens is such a fantastic example and you know he has a prototype and no, it was just throughout the day just blew the blew the roof from the jury only in supplication. And again, for what the jury looked at was, again, environmental relevance how big impact can we need more sustainable alternatives to store energy and scientific rigor and potential commercialization. Yeah, so super strong winners in this first ever future slum award.

Ryan Grant Little: 9:16

Yeah, indeed. So congratulations to both of you. Oona, let's start with you. You're the co-founder and CSO of MycoMine , which runs what kind of looked to me like half size shipping containers that are used to clean up pollution using mycelium. How does that work? Can you tell me? Tell me how this works. That's why we're a 10 year old.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 9:37

Yeah, okay, I don't talk to many 10 year olds, but I'll do my best. So basically, you can think of the micro cube as a pretty much a clever box filled with special fungi and, as we know, suzanne's already given a good introduction to fungi there. They're like the superheroes of the natural world. I like to think of them as the Swiss army knives of biology. I am a microbiologist but I'm also a mycophile, so I know that bacteria can do these kinds of things too, but no one can come close to fungi when it comes to their ability to degrade toxins etc.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 10:14

So the micro cube works when you put sort of harmful pollutants like oil or fuels or other nasty chemicals in the fungi, I get to work on those chemicals using enzymes which are like keys that open doors, to put it simply, and they have a special ability to break down these pollutants using, as Suzanne said, natural biological processes.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 10:37

So they're basically acting like nature's cleaners, and so they're basically taking nasty stuff and turn it into good stuff, which is called a biomass. So they eat the oil, they grow, the oil's gone and then you have a useful product left that can be upcycled so that biomass can be used to make cleaner fuels, pellets, textiles, you name it. We haven't even begun to explore that space yet, and so we're taking pollution and we're giving it back to nature to keep the cycle going or to upcycle it into something useful for us. So, basically, our micro cube helps turn pollution into something that helps the environment. It's also modular it's like Lego, so the initial cube is basically the size of a small car and, depending on the volume of waste that you want to put through that, it's scalable. So like a Lego blocks, if that makes sense.

Ryan Grant Little: 11:33

It definitely, especially if I was a 10 year old. My ears perk up when you talk about Lego, for sure.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 11:39

I have a nephew who's obsessed with Lego.

Ryan Grant Little: 11:42

I mean, I'm 42 and I'm still really like Lego Good. Anyway, you talk about this also being a solution for PFAS, which is also known as forever chemicals, which we see mentioned a lot in the news these days as one of kind of the many wicked problems in the world. So does this mean?

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 11:58

that forever.

Ryan Grant Little: 11:59

Chemicals don't actually have to be forever, Well.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 12:02

I mean, nothing's forever right, and I like to say that funghi take the forever out of the forever. Chemicals, pfas are a huge problem. There's over 9000 of these manmade toxic chemicals that are everywhere, mainly in the water supply. So our next step we have proof of concepts is working really well with oil, with our micro cube. We just got funding from Venova to explore the PFAS space. It's known that some microbes can break down PFAS and also some fungi. The problem with PFAS, what makes them so recalcitrant, what makes them so hard to break down, is the carbon and fluorine bond. It's very hard to crack that, but fungi can break it, and so that's a space that we're looking to explore very soon and we receive funding for that. So, and I have a lot of faith that we're going to come up with something pretty good, some strains that will work very well in our system, in our technology.

Ryan Grant Little: 13:00

I mean that would really be revolutionary. Can you talk a little bit about the company itself and how far along it is? Do you have a? Are you operational? Do you have a pilot facility? Are you fundraising?

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 13:11

We're not fundraising quite yet. Maybe next year, 2024. We started in the fall of 2021. So we're about two years old now and we have a pilot that is now permanent in the it to be Mine in Stockholm in Sweden. This is a mine that's famous for where the element yttrium was discovered, but also, after the Second World War, a lot of nasty chemicals and crap, basically, was stored down there, along with it being a mine where you have fuels from machinery, so, and they have a lot of dirty water that had to be taken care of. And the pilot has worked so well there now that it's become a permanent installation. So, yeah, and then we have three studies ongoing for pilots one with NUNAS oil refinery, which will be built and become operational winter, this winter, into 2024. And we're also working on a pre-project with your follow municipality to look at remediation of soils. And we also have something that we're pursuing with another really large company that I can't mention by name, but yeah, and so is oil and exploration or the types of customers for this as well.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 14:26

Well, we've started with organics, right, oil and fungi can do that. We've known that for a long time. But one thing, one point, I'd like to make is that the bioremediation capability of fungi has been known for quite a while. It's just that it hasn't really been a push or a focus, and I think you know Suzanne will probably agree with me on this, and other people are out there in the space for saying this fungi kind of having a zeitgeist moment right now. I especially noticed it during the pandemic. People were growing mushrooms.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 14:56

Merling Sheldrake's book Entangled Life came out, which I think really inspired fantastic book, by the way, if you haven't read it, you should really kind of inspired people, I think. And I think maybe the lockdowns had something to do with it, I don't know, but they seem to have entered, like fungi, seem to have entered, you know, that sphere where people are like oh, mushrooms, they're not just mushrooms, because you know mushrooms are the fruit. It's like saying the apple is the tree. So there's a lot of exploration needed and but it's not new, it's just now, it's gaining momentum and, like anything in science, people need to be educated, to be aware, to be able to get the funding, the interest, the impetus, and that's why I think Suzanne, with her award, she deserves huge kudos for instigating this award and getting this together, because I've been a micro far my whole life. All of us at MicroMine are We've. You know, we when I were not so weird because we knew that fungi were fantastic, all along. Right, I'll stop waffling on, I just get very excited about it.

Ryan Grant Little: 16:07

I really feel you with the topic about this being like a zeitgeist issue right now, and more and more. I mean, it's everything from how to treat depression and addiction through to food and alternative proteins, and I think more and more people are realizing that there are so many applications for this. It communicates between trees. Suzanne, you want to say something?

Susanne Glørsen: 16:28

Yeah, if I could just add that we are seeing that fungus getting more attention, but it has been so under focus under research, underfunded. So it's so on time to put fungi on the stage right and give it all the time and giving the researchers the credit and the space right. This can not focus on bacteria, and I mean Jens can also talk about how it's about time that fungal research gets more attention and innovation right.

Susanne Glørsen: 16:58

So we have it's having a moment, but we have a lot to catch up on right and when it comes to this ability, we have so little time to get this planet on the more sustainable trajectory. So we can need to all the focus so we can accelerate the possibilities.

Ryan Grant Little: 17:15

And Jens, I'd heard of so many different applications for a fungi, but a bio battery for energy storage, this is the first time I've heard of this. That's a new one for me. Can you talk a bit about the type of research you do and how it led you to this discovery? Yeah, I can do that.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 17:31

Maybe I'll take you back to when everything started, because I mean eight years ago, my research group were primarily working with fungi only and really trying to find new compounds. And, as we already heard, the fungi are so amazing. They produce so many, many different compounds that we were just out there fishing for new compounds and then seeing what they can do. But then we also look out of a window from our labs and the world outside, and here. Climate change is a huge thing. Of course, that affects all of us, and so, keeping that in mind, I heard about a type of battery called redox flow battery, and so these batteries are not just like normal solid batteries. They are extremely big, full of the two liquid tanks, and in those tanks they are two electrolytes One electrolyte that donates an electron and another one that accepts this electron, and then you have a flow of electrons. So I heard about that, but that's good. But those batteries, they were based on metal ions, and metal ions comes from mining, so that's not very sustainable and that does not rhyme with green transition.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 18:41

So then, eight years ago, or nine years ago, new type of batteries were developed based on organic molecules. They are called spinos, and that's more promising. However, they were also based on molecules. So, these spinos, they were extracted from oil oil based molecules again not super sustainable. So I heard about this. And then, going back to Fondant, the fungal world is full of these type of molecules. These are the ones that gives Fondant the beautiful color. So I knew that.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 19:12

And then came the idea that taking the fungal pigments, the fungal pinons, and then using them to make a battery that was the starting point.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 19:21

And then I used the very nice model that we have on Alba University, where we have so many good students that can perform projects and just to follow all our crazy ideas. And then I had a bachelor group. To begin with, they made, they extracted one type of the pinons from the fungus, and then we built together a rock battery prototype bits and pieces that we have lined around and it worked, and that was in 2015. So we used this very rough prototype to convince Novo Nordisk Foundation in Denmark and the Danish Research Council to give us a huge amount of money to pursue this idea, and then we were able to build up a huge network based on scientists both from Alba University but also the Technical University in Denmark, and then we set out to find the best possible fungal pinon, and we've at least we found one that is super good. And then we occupied all the extraction procedures and everything, and then we built our prototype and proved that it actually worked.

Ryan Grant Little: 20:24

Cool, and what kind of applications do you foresee for this? So getting it coming out of the lab, coming out of the university, is this something that is going to have a commercial or industrial role in, you know, in the next years, in our lifetime, or what do you foresee?

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 20:38

Yeah, absolutely. This is something that we plan on seeing relatively shortly hopefully within five years, we'll be moving out of our labs and testing it on site, and on site for these type of batteries. So this is not something you put into your card. This is going to be extremely big. So imagine three or four storage buildings, a libo, that scale battery, and if they are used to because the big problem in green transition is that you rely on electricity produced by windmills and solar panels.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 21:17

This is all super good when the sun is shining, when the flowing I mean, I live in Denmark the sun is definitely not shining all the time, so that's a problem, and also the wind is not super reliable, so we have to store that energy somehow when it's produced. And then when people come home from work and they want to charge their electrical car and they want to be eating and make dinner and wash their clothes, then they need electricity and that's where these type of batteries they will come in. But that will be the application for our battery as well, and the hardware battery itself is something that's already existing. So they're based on either the vanadium ions or the synthetic quinone. So what we can do is we can take that hardware and then we can put in our own on-go produced electrolytes.

Ryan Grant Little: 23:04

And so, jens, you're an associate professor at Alberg University and Una, you're a research scientist at the University of Arizona. How do you balance these academic roles together with now what looks like, the potential for a major climate tech startup?

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 23:21

Yeah well, that's amusing to me. Thanks for that compliment. But myself and my MycoMine colleagues, we wouldn't recognize ourselves as big, fancy clean tech founders, more like nerdy scientists, but we're proud of that. Seriously, though, the MycoMine team, I mean, we've been balancing other roles whilst establishing MycoMine multitasking, spinning multiple plates, for one of a better phrase. It's something that we're well used to, and in fact, it is actually the life of a scientist as well as an entrepreneur. Right, it is a fact of life for us having to deliver your current research goals and project deliverables, managing and developing next generation of researchers, while constantly keeping your eye on the future. Right, and all of that for seeking new research funding and novel ideas and innovations, and all in a tight financial envelope. Right, the two are very similar. I mean, in the US, funding has become very tight Was in Europe until two years ago, and it's pretty similar there. I mean, I can see Jens is smiling at that. But I think we're able to do this because we have an absolute passion and drive for what science can achieve, and especially with fungi, and I think Micromine is proof of that.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 24:36

It's a technology is great for the environment, cleaning up industrial waste and, critically, for local populations I want to mention, as the byproduct of our microcube is water that is potable.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 24:47

It's 99.9 percent pure. And you know, some of the most polluting industries are often located where access to clean water is not available. For example, bangladesh, second biggest producer of clothing in the world, which ties into textiles again, and how fungi can be used there. Which people are exploring Africa, where there are multiple disused mines, even where I live currently in Arizona, many, many legacy mine tailings, mine sites that are polluting the water supplies. And for me, and, I know, for my colleagues, it's just amazing to contemplate the positive impacts and potential that our technology can bring to improve the environment and the lives of others. Sorry, suzanne, wanted to say something there, and it's a privilege and a pleasure for me to be involved in the development of this. And what we feel, what we really feel, is a truly global solution to a major environmental issues and not just oil, which is why we're branching out into other chemicals like the not so forever ones.

Susanne Glørsen: 25:48

Yeah, I could just comment on what we'll all must say. There are such a fantastic example of, you know, commercial, social research Researchers taking the step out to bring the research into real world solutions and we need more of that. I mean so much of our citizens built the challenges we, you know the solutions will come from research. We need to get that out in the world. So fantastic example of my mine here.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 26:13

Yeah, and I just would like to add so the research that we do is not actually. I don't actually do this research at the University of Arizona. We have our own lab now and our early pilots are in Sweden. This is a Swedish based company, just to be clear on that. I'll get back there one day. I'm working on it.

Ryan Grant Little: 26:32

I want to ask about that in a second also. But so, Jens, how do you balance the role being an academic and now potentially also a startup founder? What does the path forward look like? Is it? Will this be a dual role for you going forward?

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 26:45

I think that's going to be a difficult task. I see myself as a researcher. I like to investigate things and making something commercial plan can be difficult. Then I'd rather have the possibility to hire one that can dedicate he or herself to this work, because that for this to become a commercial success, then it requires, I guess, almost 100% dedication and allocated time for this, which that is difficult for me because of academic stuff that I also have to fulfill. So I would like to see myself as one. That's part of the success that you'll hopefully have. But the main driver of this will have to be hopefully I don't skim the first with a key interest in fun.

Ryan Grant Little: 27:36

fair enough and Oona, you mentioned that maybe in a couple of years you'll be back in Sweden, so all three of you are Scandinavian. Is funghi? Is this a Scandinavian topic? Is this a coincidence, or Susanne, is there some bias at play here with the winners? What's going on?

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 27:51

I'm not Scandinavian, though I do have Swedish and Norwegian genetics. I'm originally from England, I'm English, I'm also an American citizen, so I'm a dual national. But up until two years ago I spent seven years in Denmark and in Sweden.

Ryan Grant Little: 28:05

Got it OK OK.

Susanne Glørsen: 28:07

Yeah, just from my side. I mean, we've had so focused on how this is a global world and we saw vacations from more than 70 countries, which is a classic, and then, luckily, we've had a professing jury from so many countries assessing this right. But, yeah, we saw a big Nordic representation in the end, but we also had UK, us and Brussels or Belgium. But next year I do hope we can mobilize more of Asia, latin America, africa and the world, and we do see solar applications coming.

Jens Laurids Sørensen: 28:43

And I don't know that maybe part of the today's success and is that we actually tried to have a strong network in Denmark in our Congo community, where we have started to meet quite often and discuss ideas back and forth, and that's something that has been initiated by Linganang, and I've been really, really grateful for that all of us because that really helps us to work together, find new ideas and collaborate with people that you might not have collaborated with before and that just really is going to. I think that's going to be a huge strength for the Danish logical society.

Ryan Grant Little: 29:23

What are some of the things? So all three of you are obviously very deep into this topic, just taking off your hat as founders or the founder of this prize. What are some of the things in this industry that you're super excited about or some of the potential that's coming down the pipeline with Fungi in general?

Susanne Glørsen: 29:43

For me, I can just say I'm so excited, I get so fascinated to see some of the truly breakthrough things coming out. I mean it could also be we're seeing research from British University on self-healing materials. So not only using Fungi as a material, but actually as a self-healing material which you can activate to come alive and then make pass it again so that the living material can repair itself Shoes that can repair itself. So there's so much coming out. And again I just want to say it's such an important point Fiance is making of bringing the community, the network, coming together in order to accelerate this and find a new way of how it can be expanded. That is also so much an mission. With a word, it's not just an award. It's an award, it's just the start.

Susanne Glørsen: 30:43

This is the problem bringing the global ecosystem together, hopefully, and how being in the same, bringing the connections between researchers and other researchers. They would like to collaborate more with industry. What is the challenges in the industry? I'm cultured what is needed of research. So it's such an important. Denmark has been fantastic with LEMAR, which is an advisory board bringing the ecosystem together. It's needed and also because this has been a bit under-focused area. So the motivation, inspiration from meeting others. Collaborating is crucial.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 31:24

For me, I'm very much excited to see what biotechnology and combined with AI where that's going to take us. I think it's going to be incredibly important in exploring this biochemical space, the alchemy of fungi. That's something I'm very interested in and pursuing using at some point. I also think I'm also very passionate about the idea of fungi being used for education and outreach, to teach about what's going on with the planet, with global climate change. There are a lot of citizen scientists out there working in mycology. I mean, you can now go out, pick a mushroom in your local forest, bring it home, pcr it and sequence it, and there's a lot of really good science getting done by people without PhDs. I think that's something that should be encouraged, because the diversity of fungi is immense. We've only scratched the surface in figuring out how many species there are, and I think there's a big role for the public to play there and also the symbiotic associations that we have to think about right.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 32:32

Fungi are not just doing these things on their own. They're interacting with the prokaryote world the bacteria, the archaea, animals, plants and as a microbiologist and as a symbiosis researcher in previous iterations, I think that's incredibly important that we not we you know this is a bunch. I don't exist in isolation. They're interacting. The mycelium interacts with everything. So yeah, there are some really good connections that can be made, I think. And the analogy of researchers, the public, education, interacting like a mycelium is a really nice metaphor that really speaks to me. It really sounds a bit woo, but there's some real elements of truth and it really speaks to me. And once you know fungi, you're not going to go back. They really kind of like they inspire either really great love or great disgust in people. It's really interesting because people just know mushrooms. Right, we have to evangelize for the fungi because they are actually going to save this planet. I'm convinced of it, convinced of it.

Ryan Grant Little: 33:36

And, suzanne, I'm happy that you brought this up because I wanted to know what happens with the award from now. Is it? Do we just wait until next year and, kind of, we see you again next year? But it sounds like you're going to be working on building this community in the meantime and I wonder if you want to talk about how people can get in touch or get connected if they want to be a part of this community.

Susanne Glørsen: 33:55

Yeah, as I said, I mean award is just a start. This is about how can we bring research come alive and we both solutions and help that, foster that and, you know, help the start of stuff there in the way we can. So we really say together we accelerate the fund of revolution. So we are working to reach the ecosystem or go to the ecosystem and help out the way we can. I'll come back more to that. But also and in giving my background from finance and the capital, capital is a tool for change or for, you know, accelerating the sustainable solutions we need. So we need more capital to back in more research, commercialization research, you know, obviously investing in startups. So that's also an area because we are also seeing moonshot research not continue because of lack of funding. So that's also an area we work with and, as you know, ryan, I also run the syndicate of investors interested in investing in funky, focused startups. So if any investors are interested in joining us to invest in some of this fantastic opportunities as startups, they can get in touch.

Ryan Grant Little: 35:09

And I'm going to link all of your LinkedIn profiles in the show notes, but I want to point out also that listeners can tune in to see the award ceremony itself, with some keynotes and artists making music from Fungi, at the award homepage, which is future as Fungiorg slash award dash ceremony. Suzanne Una Jens, thank you so much for joining today.

Oona Snoeyenbos-West: 35:33

Thank you. It's a real pleasure to speak with you all. Thank you. Thank you, Ryan.

Ryan Grant Little: 35:37

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